I would love to talk to people who are also victims, who had a bad experience with it, or whatever. No. [8] Lack of healing is caused by a lack of faith which is Word of Faith doctrine to the core. Jesus was emphasizing water and the Holy Spirit? Pharisees. Who says that someones new birth experience has to be like a drive up fast food place? You wrote: Paul was using both water and Spirit so many times in his epistles. Have you forgotten that Paul also said, For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. (1 Corinthians 1:17). 1)God is Who HE SAID HE IS. Jesus fulfilled both circumcision and baptism. He doesnt pander to the fallen flesh of man that craves excitement and goosepimples.He does works according to His own will and purposes, to show His love and kindness and authority, to open receptive hearts, etc, but not by way of cow-towing or showing off. This is what has happened throughout history and is nothing new. [3] It should not be an amazing thing to see the hand of the Lord working through one of His servants, but because the church has waxed cold we feel these are amazing works. What was the root practice in baptism? it was the Jewish Mikvah, which was extremely important, even more important than the synagogue or the Torah scroll, which they could sell to build the Mikvah. Unfortunately, all we have to test the spirits with is the video. I prevail upon all here not to fall into the ways of the world and engage in these ad hominem attacks. Barry do you (or anyone else.?.) watchful, your message about running from the spot light is a good one. They also said Torben has lost at least 30 pounds since being jailed, but told CBN News, "It is very clear that God is providing him with supernatural strength and peace. I dont see anyone in Wierdsville multiplying wine, walking on water, etc etc ( and whatever other miracles Lightning mentioned ) . Should we not be of the same mind? He received no word about his application until a letter from the Department of Homeland Security summoned him to a meeting in Orlando, Florida on June 30th. As Jeff Moore so elegantly wrote, Why should the Devil have all the good music? Besides which, you dont hear this kind of thing preached. Do you think because you read the bible that if you saw a man calling Himself Jesus, this very day, YOU WOULD BELIEVE IT WAS HIM? Thank you for the work put into the site, and sharing the vast amount of information & your in depth work regarding movements and doctrines that have steered off to the left or to the right, or gone astray following traditions of men or doctrines of demons and basically fallen short of the WAY, TRUTH & LIFE of Jesus our Lord and Savior. This is what is fundamentally and pervasively wrong with the religious zealots of today- they are trying to usurp and replace what ONLY Jesus can do IN THEM AND THROUGH THEM. It also costs $35 if you want to even be trained in it. At some point Later, an ICE spokesman told CBN News that Sndergaard was arrested for overstaying his visa. Because they have slowly over time been taught and have become habituated to WIERDSVILLE . Try it you will like it!!! and also WITH the author of Hebrews. Chas351 God has not changed, He still does miracles as signs following the gospel, and praise Him for it! Bill Johnson, and all these false prophets, teachers, evangelists, Earlier this year I felt the Lord placed it on my heart to investigate Bill Johnson , I started with what Bethel expressed as what they believe I dont see anything wrong with the statement of what they believe which I posted previously on this thread, I then listened to a number of Bill Johnsons sermons (videos) on YouTube they were all recent I tried to listen to as recent as I could, He honoured the Lord Jesus He honoured knowing the Lord Jesus He honoured the Lord Jesus words I am not saying that I agreed 100% with every single thing I heard him share but he definitely believes that Jesus is God and is Man always was God and always will be God, I am judging him by his own confession and his own confession of surrender to the Lord Jesus and he has committed himself to the Lord Jesus and is living to honour him I could tell this through the spirit of what he was sharing in his sermons, In the sermons I watched on YouTube which were at Bethel, Redding there was prayer for the sick where people gathered around those who were sick and prayed for them I didnt see anything weird or suspect or new age or whatever in any of these YouTube videos this was happening in their services praying for the sick and people were expressing that they were healed , Bill Johnson is going after healing He is taking seriously Jesus words, Heal the sick, raise the dead, cast out demons and is wanting his life and the life of his local congregation to demonstrate this, I never heard him call himself a prophet or a healer or anything else for that matter, He came across to me as a very humble man who knew the Lord personally, had surrendered himself to Him and wanted to serve and please Him, I was blessed by many of the things which I heard him share and know that he is my brother is Christ, Does that mean that hes never made a mistake in his life? There are other keys but it is good to get used to using one for awhile first. 1Co 10:1-4 Israelites passing through the see(Baptized unto Moses). We are doing a better job than what you had done by allowing sinful men whose hands we do not know what they may have been doing to baptise us in lots and lots of water.. How different Jesus was from those sectarians who, like the Scribes and Pharisees, search sea and land to make a member of their group, only to make him twice as much the child of Hell as themselves (Matt. No indeed Trenton, I dont think hes a charlatan either, the thought never even entered my mind. This video speaks of the amazing things that happen when you take new believers out healing the sick, preaching and baptizing, etc. This is Elijah against the the 450 prophets of baal. Jesus also REVEALS TRUE FAITH in His Prayer to His Father for ALL of us. They were floating ON water IN the ark which is a metaphor of Jesus Christ. Thats not biblical. He said it and that settles it. Johnathan Isreal- I am not ashamed to take the Lords name Christian you can say it was a handle the worldly people mockingly gave to the early followers of Jesus Christ if you want ( I doubt you are right about that enormous leap of assumption as the text does not say what you so dogmatically assume. Sheriff's Office Openly Praises the Lord as Dozens of Inmates Get Baptized, Pledge Lives to Christ, Rabbi, Wife Sponsor Knesset Gathering to Focus Attention on the Widowed, Orphaned. The staff of Moses that he had in his hand turned into a snake as a sign to the Egyptians, we do not read of this miracle occurring later outside of Egypt..so think about what it was speaking to them. We need to go out and preach the gospel, heal the sick, cast out demons and be led by the Holy Spirit as we read there. I think for me the times when I am like the disciples who were arguing I personally have been most apt to get into debate about this issue is when I am not in the game as much as I would like to be . Outline of Biblical Usage, https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g908/kjv/tr/0-1/. Actually it was the Pharisees that were always questioning Jesus trying to nitpick all the wrong things He was doing. I believe Torben has been shown a number of things that are And they said to him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. It is always interesting to me how the people who want to use the scriptures to support their OPINIONS, KNOW SO LITTLE ABOUT THE SCRIPTURES. Amen watchful that is exactly my hope and prayer.. . They had prayed for sick people before but sometimes God heals and sometimes He just takes them home to glory. It stole this new zealous believers faith, and he stopped seeing such wondrous miracles. Tell me from Gods word why it is wrong to test the spirits? Error: There was an internal error submitting your form. He prayed for every sick person in his extended family, sick people related to friends and acquaintances, etc. God is not complicated when it comes to His name and the power that is In it. Jesus shows us TRUE FAITH. Jesus tempered the enthusiasm of the disciples by saying not to rejoice in the demons submitting to us but to only rejoice that our names be written in the Lambs book of life. I left it months ago. Christs Kingdom is under the control of Jesus and all who are in it obey Him. Im not saying they are or arent, Im just saying the video evidence isnt enough since all the healings are subjective in that there is no obvious malady present, only a reported internal problem by the person supposedly healed. The tone of these responses is very disturbing. c) to reverence, venerate, to treat with deference or reverential obedience. The apostles did and signs/wonders followed. Every time they went in to repair damage it was already healed. Dear Barry .here is a quote from your post. 1 I think you are right Barry. In Jesus name we pray ! Finally we are in Torbin people who move in power in Jesus name who are fully clothed and in their right minds!. In short, he is part of NAR.Although my area of focus has been on American leaders of NAR, I do want to draw people's attention to this European teacher as someone to watch. Torben says he is doing what God told him to do, you prove to us that he is not ! And full gospel is exactly what you will see Torbens Last Reformation is all about as he takes bits and pieces from every so called Christian doctrine and mingles them together. https://friendsoftorben.comINTERVIEW WITH DR. BROWNhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Bhiwc_nm_UOUR MOVIEShttps://thelastreforma. The presence of the Holy Spirit makes demons manifest..but if the demons dont come out but rather are allowed to have a field day, then it is the presence of another spirit and not the HOLY Spirit. This move of God will be marked by love, unselfconscious holiness, fullness of joy and deep loyalty to Jesus and to each other . At once, the currents of holy power passed through my being, and I knew that it likewise passed through the one who was sick. I know his Beware of associating water with blood. Shame on you skeptics! Your important statement, `the simplicity of Christ,` leads us to the very first Key. Thedude said, CBN News has learned that Danish evangelist Torben Sndergaard, who was taken into custody June 30th in Florida while awaiting a decision on a pending asylum application with the U.S. government, was arrested by an FBI agent with the Joint Terrorism Task Force and told the arrest was for gun smuggling, even though Sndergaard was never charged for that. God is everywhereeven in the news. First, she told about the man with the wooden leg. He loves those hungry believers. Cynicism is the mask of discernment hiding a heart of bitterness and unbelief . Jesus had His disciples with him for a year or more, probably every day, before sending them out. Thank you. After all, Paul was not sinless like Jesus. In the book of Acts we see many situations of water immersions or baptism. None of them literally follow Matthew 28. INTERVIEW WITH DR. BROWN Be careful, God will warn you many times that playing with FIRE is dangerous, and in the end will hand you over to the delusion you begged and pleaded for because you refuse to repent. Sondergaard claims to be an apostle and healer of the faith. Finally some very edifying and encouraging articles. I didnt want it to be about me so I asked my young lady helper to lay hands on her and pray . If you dont believe that Bill Johnson is in Gods family what should your response to him be? God said for us to acknowledge him in all our ways and he will direct our paths. It is THE ENEMY that COUNTERFEITS the things of God! The gifts and callings are without repentance, so even after departing from simplicity people still function in those gifts and callings, except that now because of flesh, mixture and deception begins to be subtly added in and the descent begins. Here is a link to his youtube page:https://www.youtube.com/user/DanishEvangelist. After commenting you have 15 minutes to EDIT your comment. So this relates to the videos because not always doing what The Lord says is the same as not always listening to what He says. His mother really meant a lot to him and when he heard this bad news he cried and cried and then he prayed to God. My friends, that is not discernment. I dont see how this validates water baptism. Father glorify Thy Holy Son in Thy people in this generation ! Torben Sondergaard Calls the Line of Fire from Prison Call in LIVE: (866) 348-7884 So what does it look like when you have a whole congregation full of demons, principalities, powers, rulers of wickedness, familiar spirits, witchcraft practicioners.and then the Glory of God comes to set people free all at once? Peculiar particles called Manna falling from the sky And to go forward into the `true,` is to `know Christ more,` as the Apostle Paul & Roger, here, have encouraged us to do. One more thing. 1 Peter 3:20. (kings of the east?) You have no clue what biblical testing is, Do you obey Jesus and do all that He tells you to do? Only God knows. When the people of faith resort to a charletans trick of claiming to grow legs, when a persons swivel of the hip or stretching forth of their leg makes it seem as though Yeshua is in the ministry of stretching legs out an extra half inch. I have just posted Seymour said teasingly. He tells us to wait, to wait in our Jerusalem for the power from on high, for the spirits unction and then to go out. WARNING If you choose to enter this site or watch our content and continue to support Torben Sondergaard in any way, you will be held accountable on the day of judgment for learning the truth and choosing to ignore the truth. We have to go forward into the `true,` thing.`. The one thing youve missed is that water is mentioned first and then the Holy Spirit. By its fruit you will know whether the tree is good or bad. It would be far too obvious if someone were to claim to be Jesus, to dismiss them. The Key is always Humility and most importantly Giving God all the Glory. May the Lord bless Pastor Torden and his friends in the Lord. They do nothing themselves. In one of those statements what Paul feared was that they were departing from the simplicity that is in Christ. 3) to inspire reverence or godly fear or awe An ICE spokesman told CBN News that Sndergaard was arrested for overstaying his Visa. I think it very badly needs to be looked at. Indeed we are one body, a living organsim, having one head (Lord Jesus), with the body having many diverse members, each with differing giftings and callings, as determined by the one Holy Spirit. Sndergaard and his family fled Denmark in 2019, fearing persecution and arrest following a harassment campaign by the government and media. (Psalm 34:8 NASB), What you have been through with your mother has strengthened your faith and established the hunger in you to see this established this healing this fullness of what is promised in the atonement in the world in which you live, Lift him up so that he experiences this practically himself and out of the overflow is overflowing Your Power through him to others, to everyone he comes in contact with , Love you brother, the Lord will link you into a team with others who also have this on their heart in your location wherever He takes you . Im just given minimal paying jobs and I barely make enough money to even eat. And thank you Andrew and Torben. And the time has come to start in that direction. Oh and Moses staff turned into a snake. But Yeshua calls His followers sheep. 2) to stand in awe of, be awed I conclude by re-stating that it is 100% biblical to test the spirits and those who want to engage in name calling are not willing to honestly test what they are seeing. Tags: Baptism of the Holy SpiritKundaliniLast ReformationSpeaking in TonguesTorben Sndergaard. Or worst, you are possibly even demon possessed according to Torben and this is what is blocking the false Holy Spirit from entering you and baptising you in FIRE. The unveiling is the culmination of all truths expressed from Genesis to Revelation, for all scripture is centred on one purpose & that is to reveal Christ to us in all His glory. For we can do nothing of ourselves, only God. We are gentiles and we believe solely by faith and we do not need to be baptized in water. Only those who were damned to eternal perdition were baptized (dunked UNDER/IN) the water. Why are not all of us down at our local shopping malls praying for people? Because of Jesus i: However, I watched the second video first. He says that people that were baptised by John the Baptist needed to be baptised again by the Holy Spirit. 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